Why Grsec/PaX Kills java while exec-shield don't ?

[smtp]

I know non-exec will kill java, but exec-shield don't kill java.
I enable exec-shield use:

echo 3 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield

and I can run java correctly still.

why?
and How to let Grsec/PaX do same thing?

thanks

[PaX Team]

I know non-exec will kill java, but exec-shield don't kill java.
I enable exec-shield use:

echo 3 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield

and I can run java correctly still.

why?

first of all, i don't know what the '3' setting does, i thought you could have 0,1,2 only. in any case, Exec-Shield also has a per-file control mechanism based on the PT_GNU_STACK program header, in particular, if a file lacks it or has one with RWE rights (check readelf -l) then Exec-Shield will be automatically disabled on it, which i believe is the case for java.

and How to let Grsec/PaX do same thing?

chpax -spmr or you can use the RBAC/ACL system.

[smtp]

(I echoed 1,2 to it, and got the same result before I echoed 3.)

I check the java header use readelf, and found java has no PT_GNU_STACK.
How to hack PaX code to let PaX support these:

1. If a file lacks the PT_GNU_STACK header, then PaX automatically disabled on it. (so the problem of 'PaX kill java' will be resolve)

2. Let PaX use PT_GNU_STACK instead of PT_PAX_FLAGS (this could be a other choise for those PaX user that dont want to recompile the file to add new header).

Could you help me?(The firse is the best regardful for me )
thank you very much!!!

[PaX Team]

1. If a file lacks the PT_GNU_STACK header, then PaX automatically disabled on it. (so the problem of 'PaX kill java' will be resolve)

use chpax as i said before. if you want PaX default off, then use softmode. if you want PaX default off only when PT_PAX_FLAGS is not present, then simply don't add EI_PAX support into the kernel. see below for PT_GNU_STACK.

2. Let PaX use PT_GNU_STACK instead of PT_PAX_FLAGS (this could be a other choise for those PaX user that dont want to recompile the file to add new header).

it's not going to happen, my reasons are explained here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=132149#c8. what is possible is to convert PT_GNU_STACK (or something equally useless) into PT_PAX_FLAGS, i just don't have the time for this right now.